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eberger
Posts: 2
Registered: 10-07-2009

Re: very disappointed!

I've already posted in another place but, sorry, this is my one night to vent and then I will move on.

 

I am no novice bluetooth headset user. I have had 5 bluetooth headsets over about 5 years. I travel for business so I find them an indispensable necessity. Wires are just too cumbersome!

 

I have had the Jawbone I and II. The Jawbone I lasted about 9 months. It was bulky and the buttons were nearly impossible. Other than that it worked well. Noise cancellation was awesome. Wind noise reduction was pretty good, too. Not as good as I expected (from the marketing). Generally, I thought--great technology, bad implementation. Next one will be better, for sure.

 

So, when it died (albeit prematurely), I did not hesitate to purchase the Jawbone II. It lasted about 11 months. I cannot tell you how many times I hung up on people just putting the darn thing on my ear. The buttons went from bad to absolutely awful!! It also was not as reliable as my Jawbone I. Every now and then it just shut off. What was that about? But, mostly, it worked nearly as well as the Jawbone I but was even more difficult to handle.

 

Generally, I find the technical design of the Jawbone, in a word, superb! The noise cancellation clearly reflects great design work.

 

The way I would sum up the physical design, in a word, is silly.

 

The folks at Aliph seem to think the headset is a fashion accessory. They think people will put it in their ear and wear it all day. OK, I admit some people do that. IMHO (sorry out there) that is rude and wrong. Why wrong? Well, when you design an earpiece that has to press against the face then you know the ear is going to get sore after a while. So, no, people cannot wear the headset constantly. It's just a bad assumption. Plain wrong.

 

If you assume people are not going to wear the headset all the time, all of a sudden, lots of other considerations come in to play. How to carry it? From one of the threads here, it seems no one ever gave that much thought. It shows.

 

More importantly (from my experiences with the Jawbone II), can it be put on and taken off easily, quietly (without lots of rumbling--hey, very often I've already answered when I am putting it on), quickly, reliably and comfortably. Do you guys ever try that?? I mean try putting the thing on and off 20 times in 5 minutes. I bet your ear hurts, most of the time you deafen the caller, sometimes hang up on the caller, and often get a bad placement so the audio is not so good (worst is when the placement is bad so the Jawbone does not touch your cheek; the caller can't hear you very well but you don't know it).Is this a valid test? You bet it is. I definitely have taken my headset on and off a few times in 5 minutes. More likely, I easily put it on and take it off 20 times a day. I want each and every one of those to be perfect--comfortable and providing a great audio connection.

 

What's my suggestion? Focus on audio first, portability second, and THEN fashion. Geesh!

 

And, by the way, carrying the thing on a lanyard is just silly, too. Please!

 

Thank you for listening. (I hope.)

Administrator
JawboneLaurel
Posts: 429
Registered: 05-04-2009

Re: very disappointed!

We definitely are listening.  Thank you very much for taking the time to give your feedback.  We hear you loud and clear, and will work to improve future products based on your suggestions. Thanks again.

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joecruz
Posts: 3
Registered: 06-11-2009

Re: very disappointed!

I too have the BB Storm- I'm using a Jawbone Prime and when I get sick of the complaints on the other end I switch off with a Plantronics 925. I also switch back and forth because the 925 battery life is short.

 

I am very disappointed with the jawbone. Wind suppression is poor- I can hear the caller but they can barely hear me. Plus the thing keeps falling out of my ear. This is my third unit (and my last). I am amazed with the positive reviews the press give these products. I can only assume people in the tech mag industry all got free ones and then had to sign a non-disclosure/no panning agreement.

 

This past week I went back to a wired headset.

Administrator
JawboneLaurel
Posts: 429
Registered: 05-04-2009

Re: very disappointed!

We are very sorry to hear you are disappointed with your Jawbone.  If you are willing to give it another chance, we would love to walk you through some troubleshooting to help improve the quality.  if you give us a call, we will do everything we can to help!

 

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aoalbany
Posts: 1
Registered: 12-29-2009

Re: very disappointed!

Mark me as disappointed as well.  I've only had my unit for about 1-1/2 years and am quite satified with it. 

 

Imagine my disappointment, however, when I learned that the Earloops are being discontinued.  After I've bought a unit for my spouse, and recommended Jawbone to a number of friends and co-workers, who also went out and bought one, now they'll all soon be obsolete once the last earloop has broken. 

 

"Gee, thanks for the recommendation "AO", now I can't get replacements for the most breakage-prone part of the thing!"

 

Is this your idea of planned obsolescence? 

 

A discount on a new Jawbone???  YOU WISH!!!!!!!!!

Administrator
JawboneLaurel
Posts: 429
Registered: 05-04-2009

Re: very disappointed!

Hey there, we definitely want to do everything we can for you to make sure you can keep using your Jawbone.  Please give us a call at 1-800-JAWBONE and we will help you out.

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Not_So_Thrilled
Posts: 5
Registered: 01-11-2010

Re: very disappointed!

My experience is pretty much the same as eberger's.  I had an Original which I bought on the strength of the reviews.  I thought it was OK, although difficult to use.  I also had fit problems with it, both the ear buds and the ear loops.  Eventually I put a Jabra ear gel on it and that made it better.  The ear loop was so poorly designed I  couldn't get it on easily, so I took to wearing it without the ear loop. (I lost it when it fell out of my pocket in a parking lot and got run over.)

 

I got a New JB hoping that my experience would be better.  It hasn't been.  Here are my issues:

 

1) The placement of the on/off button is just stupid, especially considering all of the fit problems people have.  I can't count the number of times I've cut people off while trying to snug the JB back into my ear.

 

2) Because of the location and sensitivity of the on-off button, like other owners I've had it turn itself on in my pocket or briefcase literally dozens of times.  I can sort of accept this when I'm wearing jeans that are pretty tight, but when wearing loose dress pants?  Come on!  This has happened so many times that I have to believe it happened during development/testing.  So it should have been dealt with either by making the switch less sensitive or by putting a small slide switch on the side.

 

3) Because the "turn itself on" problem is so prevalent, there clearly should have been a carrying case from Day 1.  How could this have been missed?  Yet when I called CS and asked about it, and the response I got was "We don't MAKE carrying cases for the Jawbone.  You can probably get one at Walgreen's " (which you can't, BTW). 

 

4) I've again bought aftermarket ear gels.  Shouldn't have to, but had to.  I'm currently using it with a Jabra mini gel.  I will say that once I got the right gel on the JB, it stays in constant touch with my cheek, so people have stopped complaining about my voice cutting in and out.  But as the messages on this forum and elsewhere on the web make abundantly clear, Aliph hasn't done nearly enough to make the device fit properly.  That is inexcusable considering that in this "fit properly" is a necessary precursor to "work properly."

 

5) Short battery life.  New JB promises "up to 4 hours of talk time."  I haven't measured precisely, but I'd say I get 1.5 hours at best (device is <1 year old).  Also, I notice that performance weakens considerably when the battery starts to get low.

 

6)  Why in the world would you make a noise-cancelling headset and then include the option to turn noise cancellation OFF?  Again, this is just stupid.  If your customer doesn't want NC, they won't buy your product.  While jockeying the device to get it to fit (while driving, of course), I've turned noise cancellation off a couple of times.  Of course, you have to be on a call to turn it back on. . .so I wind up doing things like calling my own voicemail just so that the device is active. 

 

7) Clearly, the New JB was designed for appearance over function.  I totally agree with the comment about that being great for people who are going to wear it all day.  I bought it to make phone calls.  It lives in my car.

 

8) I also agree with those who say that the noise cancellation isn't as good as advertised (and also agree that, at least based on my experience, the video was a huge oversell - I can't use mine (Original or New) in any wind, and can barely use it outside at all).  It may be the case that my car has an amount of road noise (or noise at a particular frequency) that is tough for the JB to handle.  I don't know (or know how I could know).  It certainly performs better when not in the car (although indoors) and when I'm not on the freeway.  The only way I can evaluate the NC performance is by the accuracy with which my phone picks up voice commands.  I get MUCH lower accuracy when using the JB than when speaking directly into the phone (on the order of 50% worse).  This has been true with both a Blackberry Pearl and now an iPhone 3GS.

 

So my overall assessment is: "Great concept.  Technology may be good, but the company was obsessed with design and executed very poorly on the details that determine whether the technology will actually work in the hands of the user.  Overall, way (!!!) overpriced for what it actually delivers." 

 

Like others, I am puzzled at the great reviews JB has gotten.  The fit issues are clearly individual, but the other issues aren't.

 

To the person who said to someone else, "Why are you complaining?  Just go buy something else," my answer is that I spend a lot of time in my car and it's often the best place for me to make calls, so this is an important device for me.  I shelled out a lot of money for not one but two JB's, and having done that I'd rather not spend more.  Great companies try to create not just satisifed customers but ambassadors.  I'd like to be an ambassador for the JB - to be able to say to people, "Yeah, it's pricey but it's worth every penny."  But the unfortunate reality is that when I when I even see it in my car I'm pissed off at it, and I think the people who made it ought to know that.

 

Laurel, are you listening?  I would like to see something more from you than, "We care."

Visitor
Not_So_Thrilled
Posts: 5
Registered: 01-11-2010

Re: very disappointed!

Three quick follow-on points to my long post from yesterday:

 

  1. I scanned through the rest of the forum, and it is interesting to see how polarized the posts are.  People either love the JB or hate it.  Of course, people in who are in the middle probably aren't motivated to post a comment.  But it's especially interesting that people who love their JB seem to find it hard to believe there could be people who've had a lousy experience.  Message to Aliph: the fact that people are willing to spend time writing long, multiple posts is a sign that there is significant consumer involvement with the product (certainly true of me, and it's not rational).  That is an enormous asset.  Don't squander it.

 

2. Obviously, the product works well for many people, but it also fails for many people ("fail" defined here as "does not work to the customer's satisfaction). Message to Aliph: this is an engineered product, so think of this as an engineering problem.  The fact that the product works so well for some users and fails so dramatically for others means one of two things: A) You have huge variances in manufacturing such that the product itself is inconsistent (HIGHLY UNLIKELY) or B) You did a very poor job of defining the environment in which the product would be used (i.e., ear size/shape, phone type, car vs. not, etc.), so that it is often used in circumstances for which it wasn't designed (ALMOST CERTAINLY THE CASE, and when this happens failure is to be expected).  IMHO, you should have a crash engineering project underway to capture the information you missed.  I would do this by contacting customers who are having bad experiences and putting engineers on the road to see them, observe use, take ear molds, etc.  Once you have better specs, you can probably fix the design flaws.

 

3.  This is also a management problem.  Message to Hosain:  Problem 1 is that you put design before performance.  That's fine if your target customer buys only on design, but don't you promise performance?  Problem 2 is derivative of Problem 1 - you got the big stuff right but the little stuff wrong.  Unfortunately, this is a product for which the little stuff is critical.  You've been at this for 6 years.  It is simply inexcusable for you not to have fixed this by now.   That's an abuse of your customers (see 1 above).  You clearly have continued to invest in design/development.  Why didn't you focus on making the product work first?  If I were inyour shoes, I would have a message of apology on this forum.  I would contact - personally - everyone who has registered an unresolved complaint and promise either to make it right or provide a refund (regardless of when the product was purchased).  I would also go to my Board and say, "Guys, we f*#$ed up here, and as the CEO, I'm responsible.  It's going to take some money to fix this.  If you want to take it out of my hide or fire me, you certainly have the right."  And that raises another question - where are your VC's and Board in this?  Khosla and Sequoia are not slackers.  How have they let you off the hook this long?   You and your CTO went to Stanford.  Your CFO went to HBS.  You were trained better than this.  If you worked for me you would be gone by now.

Administrator
JawboneLaurel
Posts: 429
Registered: 05-04-2009

Re: very disappointed!

Hi there. Thank you for the extremely detailed and thorough feedback.  We value customer feedback, and it is regularly reviewed and dispersed throughout the company.  We regularly contact our customers to solicit feedback because iIt is our goal to hear from as many of our users as possible as we are constantly looking for ways to improve the overall customer experience.  We appreciate the huge varianced in the marketplace, and strive to design a headset that hmeets the greatest number of our customers' needs.  Aliph continues to spend considerable time doing customer testing (pre/post release of a product) and contacting customer who have poor experiences as we believe that ultimately that will enable us to provide better products in the future.

 

To address your points:

 

1) To avoid inadventently pressing buttons when you dont mean to, we recommend holding the headset between your thumb and middle finger when adjusting the headset, and answer a call using only your index finger.

 

2) Thanks for that feedback, to avoid turning on the headset while its in your pocket, we recommend putting it in a small carrying case.  Many of our users have told us they have had success with contact lens holder and altoid tins as carrying cases!

 

3) As mentioned above, we do not make a carrying case for the Jawbone at this time, but there are many carrying solutions that seem to work extremely well.  This thread has a lot of good suggestions: http://forums.jawbone.com/t5/New-Feature-Ideas/How-do-you-carry-your-Jawbone/td-p/570

 

4) To address feedback about the fit of the headset, we went back to the drawing board and created the New Fit Earbuds.  We have recieved considerable feedback that these are a big improvement, and help solve the fit problems for many people.  That being said, every ear and preference is different, and we understand that one solution will not work for everyone.  This is why we offer a variety of fit options in the box, so users have many options available to them.  We are sorry to hear you dont like the New Fit Earbuds, and appreciate the suggestion to make buds out of a softer material.

 

5) As for battery life, it sounds like your battery may need to be replaced, as there is no reason why it should be running out in 1.5 hours.  If you ever suspect that there is something wrong with your headset, please do not hesitate to call us and we will do everything in our power to help you out: 1-800-JAWBONE

 

6) With regards to why you might want to turn off the NoiseAssassin, if you are in a very quiet room with no background noise, the NoiseAssassin would not be necessary, and you could turn it off to help conserve the battery.  Also, many people like to "hear" the NoiseAssassin themselves.  Being able to turn it on and off lets people make a call, and have the person on the other end be able to hear the difference between the NoiseAssassin on and off.  It is on by default, so unless you turn it off, you can rest assured it is on and working

 

7) We designed the headset to be both a beautiful piece of techonology AND a functional piece of technology.  We realize that for some people, form is more important than function, and for others the inverse is true.  It is our goal to excel in both areas.

 

8) The videos we created to demonstrate the NoiseAssassin were not doctored in any way.  If you believe that your headset does not cancel background noise as well as it should, please give us a call and we would be happy to help.

 

Again, we appreciate your extremely detailed and thorough feedback, and it has been distributed throughout the company.  Thanks again for taking the time to share this with us.

 

 

Contributor
ascottyb
Posts: 13
Registered: 02-28-2010

Re: very disappointed!

 

Duration of ownership: 1 Month
Strengths: expensive advertising
Weaknesses: I have owned at least one of every jawbone made. The company has bercom a nightmare of poor design, bad or absent customer service, poor quality control, . Week 3 with Jawbone icon. No earloop with original package, no reply from support after 2nd inquiry, lack of volume control design sucks, now volume just drops off mid call to whisper, oh sorry cannot download updater dns error please contact us so we can forget to respond with another fix that will not work, and oh sorry we cannot respond because you wrote us from a different email address, oh sorry we need the serial number that takes an electron microscope to read. and oh sorry no industry standard a2dp, oh sorry we know the auto volume fails but you can fix it with the updater that will not install on your computer.
Overall: does not work

Duration of ownership: 1 Month
Strengths: expensive advertising
Weaknesses: I have owned at least one of every jawbone made. The company has become a nightmare of poor design, bad or absent customer service, poor quality control, . Week 3 with Jawbone icon. No earloop with original package, no reply from support after 2nd inquiry, lack of volume control design sucks, now volume just drops off mid call to whisper, oh sorry cannot download updater dns error please contact us so we can forget to respond with another fix that will not work, and oh sorry we cannot respond because you wrote us from a different email address, oh sorry we need the serial number that takes an electron microscope to read. and oh sorry no industry standard a2dp, oh sorry we know the auto volume fails but you can fix it with the updater that will not install on your computer.
Overall: does not work